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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by gynocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>gynocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^_^  You have my email, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^_^  You have my email, right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Question for the Ages by tamarasheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamarasheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just say you&#039;ll go elsewhere. It seems to be good enough to hold whole countries to ransom. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just say you&#8217;ll go elsewhere. It seems to be good enough to hold whole countries to ransom. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Question for the Ages by Monk Flannelberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monk Flannelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Has no one given this any thought?&quot;

Of course they have- and they thought it was a great idea. I&#039;d love to be able to give myself a big bonus this year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Has no one given this any thought?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course they have- and they thought it was a great idea. I&#8217;d love to be able to give myself a big bonus this year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by tamarasheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamarasheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a pile of questions I want to ask, but maybe I&#039;ll save those for a later date. *is nosy*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a pile of questions I want to ask, but maybe I&#8217;ll save those for a later date. *is nosy*</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by gynocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>gynocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and by money I mean...what I earn per book sold.  ^_-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and by money I mean&#8230;what I earn per book sold.  ^_-</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by gynocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>gynocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giants teams of people take too much of my money and soul.  

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giants teams of people take too much of my money and soul.  </p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by tamarasheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamarasheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a big distinction that needs to be made and, sadly, it should have happened linguistically but didn&#039;t. The difference between a publisher, that is, a house that buys a book, prints and promotes it (even if that promotion is only sending copies to places that review books) is almost always going to be better for the author than a book printer (AKA self publisher). Unless the author is incredibly charismatic or independently wealthy (or both), no single person is going to be able to do what a team of editors, publicists, artists and printers can do. Them&#039;s just the breaks.

The reason self publishing (hereafter referred to as SP because I am lazy) gets a bad reputation is because there are no gatekeepers for SP. No one has to say, &#039;Yeah, I love this book so much I&#039;ll stake my reputation on it&#039;, or &#039;I&#039;ll pony up money to print it&#039; which could be seen as a sign that the book isn&#039;t worth putting money out for. The author puts out money, but I&#039;ve never known a writer who didn&#039;t love their own stuff, so that, sadly, doesn&#039;t mean much to me.

That said, some SP books totally do rock my socks (the Encyclopedia of Country Life springs to mind), and some SP books are runaway hits, but those are very few. SP is, I have a hunch, a long, hard god damn road. That said, folks like Gynocrat seem to manage to be happy and productive without a giant team of people behind them.

*deep breath* Anyway, what I&#039;m saying is, yeah, I suspect there is a lot of disdain for people who SP (until they manage to make a living at it, and then there&#039;s probably a lot of envy…)


*edit* Also! I have no idea what I&#039;m talking about. I&#039;m neither SP nor with a big house. So this whole thing is me talking out of my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a big distinction that needs to be made and, sadly, it should have happened linguistically but didn&#8217;t. The difference between a publisher, that is, a house that buys a book, prints and promotes it (even if that promotion is only sending copies to places that review books) is almost always going to be better for the author than a book printer (AKA self publisher). Unless the author is incredibly charismatic or independently wealthy (or both), no single person is going to be able to do what a team of editors, publicists, artists and printers can do. Them&#8217;s just the breaks.</p>
<p>The reason self publishing (hereafter referred to as SP because I am lazy) gets a bad reputation is because there are no gatekeepers for SP. No one has to say, &#8216;Yeah, I love this book so much I&#8217;ll stake my reputation on it&#8217;, or &#8216;I&#8217;ll pony up money to print it&#8217; which could be seen as a sign that the book isn&#8217;t worth putting money out for. The author puts out money, but I&#8217;ve never known a writer who didn&#8217;t love their own stuff, so that, sadly, doesn&#8217;t mean much to me.</p>
<p>That said, some SP books totally do rock my socks (the Encyclopedia of Country Life springs to mind), and some SP books are runaway hits, but those are very few. SP is, I have a hunch, a long, hard god damn road. That said, folks like Gynocrat seem to manage to be happy and productive without a giant team of people behind them.</p>
<p>*deep breath* Anyway, what I&#8217;m saying is, yeah, I suspect there is a lot of disdain for people who SP (until they manage to make a living at it, and then there&#8217;s probably a lot of envy…)</p>
<p>*edit* Also! I have no idea what I&#8217;m talking about. I&#8217;m neither SP nor with a big house. So this whole thing is me talking out of my ass.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by flannelberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>flannelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - I have a meeting to go to in like one minute but I think essentially we agree - the medium for delivery of indy (whether self pub or small press) is woeful at best.

However, ereader=antichrist in our house.

I think there are better ways, we just have to get creative with the whole industry.

I think what chaps me worst is the POD/self pub/etc= evil and never to be *really* published. That is IMO, just another way that the man keeps us down. I&#039;m being a bit silly but I think the more we, as authors, perpetuate that, the less big houses have to do to keep the market cornered. 

I&#039;m realizing over this year that some of my previously held notions about writing/publishing are being challenged. It&#039;s a good thing but it takes a lot of brain power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; I have a meeting to go to in like one minute but I think essentially we agree &#8211; the medium for delivery of indy (whether self pub or small press) is woeful at best.</p>
<p>However, ereader=antichrist in our house.</p>
<p>I think there are better ways, we just have to get creative with the whole industry.</p>
<p>I think what chaps me worst is the POD/self pub/etc= evil and never to be *really* published. That is IMO, just another way that the man keeps us down. I&#8217;m being a bit silly but I think the more we, as authors, perpetuate that, the less big houses have to do to keep the market cornered. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m realizing over this year that some of my previously held notions about writing/publishing are being challenged. It&#8217;s a good thing but it takes a lot of brain power.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by tamarasheehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamarasheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course big houses are going to be shooting to produce something that is appealing to the broadest possible audience, which, of course, means that sometimes what we get is watered down pap. And self publishing does exactly what you say - it fills a niche (particularly with reference books) that is too small for the big houses to make financially viable. Indy books do that too, with the added bonus of having a house to push the book, instead of just a hopeful author.

It&#039;s my opinion that indy publishing hasn&#039;t been as successful as, say, indy music (and consequently, traditional publishing hasn&#039;t been as stressed out by &#039;piracy&#039;) because the medium for delivery isn&#039;t perfect. You can listen to a great rip of Pink Floyd without much effort, but your eyes practically bleed if you spend that much time reading off the computer screen. Ereaders help, but they&#039;re not perfect yet. 

Basically, unlike music which sounds the same if you buy it on CD at the store or download it from a torrent, the best way to read a book is still to read a physical tangible paper book and the easiest way to get that book is to go down to the store and get it (in terms of instantaneous gratification). Because lots of Indy publishers use POD (and because the way books are sold to stores is arcane, antiquated and seems to be partially ritualistic), they don&#039;t get much shelf space. Because they have tiny budgets, they don&#039;t do much publicity. Some even look and feel different than mass market books.

Indy books cannot be like indy music right now. Maybe later, when an easy-to-use open source ereader is available for download, we&#039;ll see more indy books cracking the crust on the best seller lists, but right now comparing both is comparing apples and oranges. (phew)

All that aside, yes, I certainly agree that the business model that writing and publishing is built on is going to have to change. It&#039;s happening all ready in some scary ways and in some good ways. It&#039;s my opinion that the invention of the printing press created a sort of singularity, and the shift from the book to whatever comes next (which is what I think will be necessary to change traditional publishing in the substantial way you seem to be talking about) will be another singularity. Maybe we&#039;re in the midst of it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course big houses are going to be shooting to produce something that is appealing to the broadest possible audience, which, of course, means that sometimes what we get is watered down pap. And self publishing does exactly what you say &#8211; it fills a niche (particularly with reference books) that is too small for the big houses to make financially viable. Indy books do that too, with the added bonus of having a house to push the book, instead of just a hopeful author.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my opinion that indy publishing hasn&#8217;t been as successful as, say, indy music (and consequently, traditional publishing hasn&#8217;t been as stressed out by &#8216;piracy&#8217;) because the medium for delivery isn&#8217;t perfect. You can listen to a great rip of Pink Floyd without much effort, but your eyes practically bleed if you spend that much time reading off the computer screen. Ereaders help, but they&#8217;re not perfect yet. </p>
<p>Basically, unlike music which sounds the same if you buy it on CD at the store or download it from a torrent, the best way to read a book is still to read a physical tangible paper book and the easiest way to get that book is to go down to the store and get it (in terms of instantaneous gratification). Because lots of Indy publishers use POD (and because the way books are sold to stores is arcane, antiquated and seems to be partially ritualistic), they don&#8217;t get much shelf space. Because they have tiny budgets, they don&#8217;t do much publicity. Some even look and feel different than mass market books.</p>
<p>Indy books cannot be like indy music right now. Maybe later, when an easy-to-use open source ereader is available for download, we&#8217;ll see more indy books cracking the crust on the best seller lists, but right now comparing both is comparing apples and oranges. (phew)</p>
<p>All that aside, yes, I certainly agree that the business model that writing and publishing is built on is going to have to change. It&#8217;s happening all ready in some scary ways and in some good ways. It&#8217;s my opinion that the invention of the printing press created a sort of singularity, and the shift from the book to whatever comes next (which is what I think will be necessary to change traditional publishing in the substantial way you seem to be talking about) will be another singularity. Maybe we&#8217;re in the midst of it right now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Clothes by flannelberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>flannelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, on the one hand, I get the big problem with the &quot;pay to play&quot; concept - especially for a big house. On the other hand, I&#039;m not too fond of the way &quot;indy writing&quot; hasn&#039;t taken off like Indy music, or visual arts in general.

(As you already know but I&#039;m going to rant again) I think the whole concept of having to produce works that are marketable as deemed by people I may or may not agree with is problematic. Personally, I think that&#039;s the reason for the glut of horrid urban fantasy out there (among other genres). What it appears to me is &quot;LKH made money. Hopefully this work will help us cash in on some of that marketshare.&quot; If you have something that&#039;s well written and not currently trendy, I suspect it&#039;s difficult to find a place to publish.

As I was pointing out to J - some of my very favourite reference books are self published and they&#039;re not something I&#039;m likely to find in the mainstream, or even off the usual, path. 

While I think established houses engaging in these sorts of shenanigans should be vilified, I think we need to reconceptualize publishing in general and put more control in the public&#039;s hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, on the one hand, I get the big problem with the &#8220;pay to play&#8221; concept &#8211; especially for a big house. On the other hand, I&#8217;m not too fond of the way &#8220;indy writing&#8221; hasn&#8217;t taken off like Indy music, or visual arts in general.</p>
<p>(As you already know but I&#8217;m going to rant again) I think the whole concept of having to produce works that are marketable as deemed by people I may or may not agree with is problematic. Personally, I think that&#8217;s the reason for the glut of horrid urban fantasy out there (among other genres). What it appears to me is &#8220;LKH made money. Hopefully this work will help us cash in on some of that marketshare.&#8221; If you have something that&#8217;s well written and not currently trendy, I suspect it&#8217;s difficult to find a place to publish.</p>
<p>As I was pointing out to J &#8211; some of my very favourite reference books are self published and they&#8217;re not something I&#8217;m likely to find in the mainstream, or even off the usual, path. </p>
<p>While I think established houses engaging in these sorts of shenanigans should be vilified, I think we need to reconceptualize publishing in general and put more control in the public&#8217;s hands.</p>
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